Clause 4.16.9
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Public Question Rights taken away
following BLAST Questions to council.
Public Question Time rights
were taken away, or severly reduced, at the council meeting
on the 31st of July 2007 following 11 questions from BLAST
(Blaenavon Leisure and Swimming Troubleshooters) at the
previous meeting. This was at the instigation of council
officers, without one councillor realising what they were
voting for. |
"....it was pure coincidence that the amendments
were made and (they) were not influenced by the recent
questions from Blast or the owners of Mineslope Cottages"
Alison Ward, Chief Executive
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| As a member of the public I was prevented by order of
the Mayor from asking an important question to the Torfaen
County Borough Council Meeting on the 25th of September
2007. The question could have been asked at the previous
meeting on the 31st of July, but at that same meeting a
clause was added to the constitution which has the effect
of ruling out almost all questions at the discretion of
the Mayor. I am the first to be blocked from asking a question
under the new clause 4.16.9 but as an officer of the council
said "You won't be the last".
The councillors were unaware that they had voted for this.
I can say this because I know that at least 14 members of
the council were unaware of the extent of Clause (4.16.9)
or were unaware of its inclusion altogether. Not one councillor
has indicated that they knew its full content and effect.
This clause was not requested, written or discussed by elected
members (your councillors) at any meeting of which there
is any record. However it was slipped into the agenda, passed
"on the nod", and has removed our right to ask
a question at a council meeting. This is not democracy!
At the first meeting after the clause was added the Mayor
followed the advice of his officers and refused permission
for me to ask a question. So the terrible treatment two
friends of mine are receiving from the council concerning
access over council land to houses that they own will continue......
but that's another story. Meanwhile read on....
CDH 2nd October 2007
see News, Views and Updates
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Clause 4.16.9...
What's it all about?
(What Can I Do ? )
- Section 4.16 of Torfaen
County Borough Council's Constitution gives the public
the right to ask questions at full council meetings
- Clause 4.16.9 effectively
removes that right for any meaningful question
to be asked.
- Clause 4.16.9 allows
the Mayor to refuse to allow a question to be put, for a whole
list of reasons.
- The Mayor makes his decision based on the advice of his officers.
- The Mayor's decision is final.
- Clause 4.16.9 was passed at the council meeting on the 31st
of July 2007 without discussion.
- This clause was used to reject a question at the very next
council meeting. (The Mayor said " And now we come to Public
Question Time but unfortunately there have been no questions
from members of the public"! Not quite true!)
- Many Councilors knew nothing of the clause that they voted
for. (Of 14 members whose opinions we received none were aware
of the full extent of this clause.)
- Clause 4.16.9 was not requested, written or discussed by elected
members.
- The full clause was tucked away in a lengthy Appendix in
the 135
page Agenda.
- Reference to it in the Agenda itself was misleading "It
is advisable that the Council reserves the right to decline
to answer questions in certain cases eg it is defamatory".
This sounds reasonable but...
- Compare this agenda item to clause
4.16.9
| Extract form TCBC Constitution August
30th 2007
4.16 Questions by Members of the Public
4.16.1 A member of the public who lives or works in Torfaen
and any person who represents a public, private, voluntary
or community organisation based in Torfaen may ask a question
at a Council meeting on any matter in relation to which
the Council has powers or duties or which affects the area.
4.16.2 Notice of questions: A member of the public may only
ask a question under paragraph 4.16.1 if they have given
at least one working days notice in writing of the question
to the Chief Executive
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4.16.3 At Council, the previously submitted written question
shall be read out by the questioner.
4.16.4 Response: An answer may take the form of a direct
oral answer; where the desired information is in a publication
of the Council or other published work, a reference to that
publication; or where the reply cannot conveniently be given
orally, a written answer circulated later to the questioner.
4.16.5 Supplementary question: The Mayor may at his or her
discretion permit a supplementary question arising directly
out of the original question or the reply.
4.16.6 Questions asked under this section and a summary
of the replies to the questions will be recorded in the
minutes (except that supplementary questions and answers
will not be recorded in the minutes) of the meeting.
4.16.7 The Order in which questions are taken shall be at
the discretion of the Mayor.
4.16.8 Any question not asked because of insufficient time,
will be answered subsequently in writing with a copy of
the answer provided to all councilors.
4.16.9 The Mayor
may reject a question if it:
(a) is not about a matter for which the local authority
has a responsibility or which affects the area of the Authority;
(b) is defamatory, frivolous or offensive;
(c) is substantially the same as a question which has been
put at a meeting of the Council in the past six months;
(d) requires the disclosure of confidential or exempt information;
(e) relates to an individual, group or business or the questioner's
own particular circumstances;
(f) relates to a matter which is the subject of legal or
enforcement proceedings or an appeal to a court or tribunal
or to a Government Minister or the National Assembly or
an ongoing investigation by the Public Services Ombudsman
or relates to a decision which has been made by the Council
in exercise of its regulatory functions in respect of which
there are legal rights of redress;
(g) relates to the personal circumstances or conduct of
any officer and Councillor or conditions of service of employees;
(h) relates to the activities and aims of a political party
or organisation; or
(i) is a statement and not a genuine enquiry.
In addition the Mayor may rule that a question shall not
be answered because the preparation of the answer would
require the expenditure of a disproportionate amount of
time, money or effort.
The decision of the Mayor in the
above matter shall be final.
4.17 Petitions from Members of the Public
4.17.1 At the request of any Councillor a member of the
public defined in paragraph
4.16.1 may present a petition to the Mayor at a Council
Meeting.
4.17.2 The right set out in 4.17.1 above only applies if
the original petition is presented by the Councillor on
behalf of the member of the public to the Proper Officer
no later than 24 hours before the meeting at which the petition
is to be presented.
4.17.3 At the Council Meeting the member of the public may
present the petition publicly to the Mayor who will receive
it on behalf of the Council and read the content of the
petition to the meeting.
4.17.4 No petition will be accepted under these provisions
if in the opinion of the Monitoring Officer it is defamatory,
discloses confidential or personal information or where
it’s publication may constitute a criminal offence.
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